Curse

laksa and curry · Aug 09, 2009, 05:54 AM // 05:54

Have you ever got hate and retard spam for playing something that is not HB?
Have you ever been kicked for pinging a prot build/or being force to use HB?

After the 6/8 updates i believe that protectors should have more mass appeal.

BTW here is the build i run.

Zealous bendiction
ROF/shield of absorption/guardian
Seed of life
Prot Spirit
Remove condition
Remove Hex
Selfless Spirit
Rez.

I find the e management quite good selfless allows me to cast ZB for free when under 50%. Very much like WOH but for no cost.

Chocobo1 · Aug 09, 2009, 06:20 AM // 06:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by laksa and curry

Have you ever got hate and retard spam for playing something that is not HB?
Have you ever been kicked for pinging a prot build/or being force to use HB?

After the 6/8 updates i believe that protectors should have more mass appeal.

BTW here is the build i run.

Zealous bendiction
ROF/shield of absorption/guardian
Seed of life
Prot Spirit
Remove condition
Remove Hex
Selfless Spirit
Rez.

I find the e management quite good selfless allows me to cast ZB for free when under 50%. Very much like WOH but for no cost.

This game is way past the time when you could bring what you want. When I started playing, people asked for other players to group with, and the only specifics that ever happened was profession.

Yes it's sad, but as we all know this game has some severe issues. It also doesn't help that 90% of the playerbase is terrible. This is why it is required to run the most mindless easy to work builds.

Gennadios · Aug 09, 2009, 06:47 AM // 06:47

90% of the player base wouldn't know a monk skill from their own right hand.

Form up your own group. People will usually assume you know what your doing and not question you that way. Plus most players won't readily leave a group that already has a monk.

Failing that, there's always alliance groups. Ppl that get to know your play style won't argue.

Gift3d · Aug 09, 2009, 07:06 AM // 07:06

Considering nearly every semi-challenging area has a cookie cutter "-way" build on wiki, most of the time you're stuck with playing exactly what they see on the golden wiki page. But if you're talking about just general pug stuff, then as long as you're in HM it's pretty dumb that people wouldn't want a prot around. Then all you have to blame is their own ignorance, unfortunately.

subarucar · Aug 09, 2009, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Run what you want, if they tell you to run a wiki build, they probably suck anyway. The other alternative is H&H, they dont care what build you run, and probably have a more likely chance of success.
You should however run something very close to the build requested for things like speed clears, or other dedicated farming builds.

Life Bringing · Aug 09, 2009, 07:38 AM // 07:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by laksa and curry

Have you ever got hate and retard spam for playing something that is not HB?
Have you ever been kicked for pinging a prot build/or being force to use HB?

After the 6/8 updates i believe that protectors should have more mass appeal.

BTW here is the build i run.

Zealous bendiction
ROF/shield of absorption/guardian
Seed of life
Prot Spirit
Remove condition
Remove Hex
Selfless Spirit
Rez.

I find the e management quite good selfless allows me to cast ZB for free when under 50%. Very much like WOH but for no cost.

First off, UA>HB. Second, prot is terrible. The ONLY prot you should need in the larger majority of the game is prot spirit. Things like Aegis and SoA at weaker specs should be on something like an MM. Prot is useless because you'll spend more time and energy trying to prot the damage than you would just hitting Heal Party once and healing it all in one spell. Sure, prot spirit on whoever is gathering agro is good. They run up, take all the big AoE, and then you heal the splash damage from w/e got through. And, if you want to run a prot bar, at LEAST bring something like AP so you can have a one man aegis chain, and bring divine boon so you can still heal.

laksa and curry · Aug 09, 2009, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Life Bringing

First off, UA>HB. Second, prot is terrible. The ONLY prot you should need in the larger majority of the game is prot spirit. Things like Aegis and SoA at weaker specs should be on something like an MM. Prot is useless because you'll spend more time and energy trying to prot the damage than you would just hitting Heal Party once and healing it all in one spell. Sure, prot spirit on whoever is gathering agro is good. They run up, take all the big AoE, and then you heal the splash damage from w/e got through. And, if you want to run a prot bar, at LEAST bring something like AP so you can have a one man aegis chain, and bring divine boon so you can still heal.

How do you just "hit heal party once and healing all in one spell". I would like to use such a build too and since u said UA>HB i presume you run heal party using UA as the elite. Maybe "prot is terrible" like u said. Please show me how a good monk bar looks.

Lishy · Aug 09, 2009, 09:39 AM // 09:39

Spirit Bond is amazing for high end areas where enemies deal dmg in the hundreds. With selfless spirit buffed, I'm happy to see prots back in the metagame without much e-management probs.

Jczech · Aug 09, 2009, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Life Bringing

First off, UA>HB. Second, prot is terrible. The ONLY prot you should need in the larger majority of the game is prot spirit. Things like Aegis and SoA at weaker specs should be on something like an MM. Prot is useless because you'll spend more time and energy trying to prot the damage than you would just hitting Heal Party once and healing it all in one spell. Sure, prot spirit on whoever is gathering agro is good. They run up, take all the big AoE, and then you heal the splash damage from w/e got through. And, if you want to run a prot bar, at LEAST bring something like AP so you can have a one man aegis chain, and bring divine boon so you can still heal.

Prot isn't terrible. Prots can turn anyone into an unkillable tank with relative ease. Unless of course you're playing in NM, where mobs hit so lightly it's hard to tell if they even hit at all. Then yes, prots are terrible when you can get away with pushing a party heal button every 10 seconds or so.

As for people wanting me to swap builds, weeks of doing ZMs and ZBs, and the most I get asked is to bring a specific skill, or someone advises to bring lots of hex or condition removal. Nobody has questioned my build, not even my unusual choice of elite.

And if you do find yourself in a group that wants you to HB or get kicked... I'm sure there's 3+ other groups looking for a Monk.

Life Bringing · Aug 09, 2009, 09:52 AM // 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by laksa and curry

How do you just "hit heal party once and healing all in one spell". I would like to use such a build too and since u said UA>HB i presume you run heal party using UA as the elite. Maybe "prot is terrible" like u said. Please show me how a good monk bar looks.

This is what i would consider a bare monk bar. Tbh, it doesnt really matter what i think works best, so elite spot is open for UA/HB/WoH. Dwayna's Kiss can be replaced for ethereal depending on your elite choice. Second optional can be PS, random pve skill, something like vig spirit, Holy Haste, w/e, depends on what heroes im running. Last two optionals are Power Drain/WNWN for heroes, or selfless/GoLE for players. I would personally never monk in general pve. You lose so much damage output by monking thats its ridiculous to even try. I ended up going mo/d and scything shit because i got tired of stuff not dying fast enough. Finally, necrits are hawt

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Unless of course you're playing in NM, where mobs hit so lightly it's hard to tell if they even hit at all. Then yes, prots are terrible when you can get away with pushing a party heal button every 10 seconds or so.

NM is terrible.

laksa and curry · Aug 09, 2009, 10:21 AM // 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Life Bringing

This is what i would consider a bare monk bar. Tbh, it doesnt really matter what i think works best, so elite spot is open for UA/HB/WoH. Dwayna's Kiss can be replaced for ethereal depending on your elite choice. Second optional can be PS, random pve skill, something like vig spirit, Holy Haste, w/e, depends on what heroes im running. Last two optionals are Power Drain/WNWN for heroes, or selfless/GoLE for players. I would personally never monk in general pve. You lose so much damage output by monking thats its ridiculous to even try. I ended up going mo/d and scything shit because i got tired of stuff not dying fast enough. Finally, necrits are hawt

NM is terrible.

A lot of good points coming from someone who " I would personally never monk in general pve".

I am still eager to see the skill bar you mentioned in your 1st reply being able to "heal all with heal party".

Your choice of skills on your 2nd reply looks very good. However it does not show the use of the skill heal party like mentined in your 1st reply.

So based on your 2nd reply your skill bar would look something like this:
1)UA/HB/WOH
2)Dwayna's KIss
3)Prot Spirt
4)Vig spirit/ randome pve skill
5)Holy haste Description (For 1...48...60 seconds, your Healing Prayers Spells cast 50% faster. This Enchantment ends if you cast another Enchantment.)
6)Power Drain / WNWN
7)Selfless/ GoLE

Thank you for your inputs. I will try run this. Looks really good. I havent figured out how u juggle skill 1,3,4 ,5 ,7. Since Skill 5 ends if another enchantment is casted.

Masmar · Aug 09, 2009, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by laksa and curry

A lot of good points coming from someone who " I would personally never monk in general pve".

I am still eager to see the skill bar you mentioned in your 1st reply being able to "heal all with heal party".

Your choice of skills on your 2nd reply looks very good. However it does not show the use of the skill heal party like mentined in your 1st reply.

So based on your 2nd reply your skill bar would look something like this:
1)UA/HB/WOH
2)Dwayna's KIss
3)Prot Spirt
4)Vig spirit/ randome pve skill
5)Holy haste Description (For 1...48...60 seconds, your Healing Prayers Spells cast 50% faster. This Enchantment ends if you cast another Enchantment.)
6)Power Drain / WNWN
7)Selfless/ GoLE

Thank you for your inputs. I will try run this. Looks really good. I havent figured out how u juggle skill 1,3,4 ,5 ,7. Since Skill 5 ends if another enchantment is casted.

Patient spirit might aswell be necessity

Pugs Not Drugs · Aug 09, 2009, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Actually i like the op's build. I would just throw in divine boon.

Burst Cancel · Aug 09, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59

We've been over this several times. Recently, in fact:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10356382
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10389038

This thread should be locked or merged with one of the others.

Oh, and Boonprot.

maxxfury · Aug 09, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Ap/LS/ ZB/ AOF selfless Boonprot is all win

Shame Boonprot fell from glory for soo long.

JoeKnowMo · Aug 09, 2009, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Life Bringing

Second, prot is terrible.

This convinced me that you're a good monk.

Quote:

I would personally never monk in general pve.

This convinced me that you know what you're talking about.

Rhamia Darigaz · Aug 09, 2009, 06:15 PM // 18:15

i would kick OP from my party too because he's running prot without divine boon.

srsly tho

i don't feel that the rest of you build is as good as it could be either, but it's pve so have fun rolling your face on the keyboard while enemies explode/kill themselves for you.

Life Bringing · Aug 09, 2009, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by laksa and curry

A lot of good points coming from someone who " I would personally never monk in general pve".

I am still eager to see the skill bar you mentioned in your 1st reply being able to "heal all with heal party".

Your choice of skills on your 2nd reply looks very good. However it does not show the use of the skill heal party like mentined in your 1st reply.

So based on your 2nd reply your skill bar would look something like this:
1)UA/HB/WOH
2)Dwayna's KIss
3)Prot Spirt
4)Vig spirit/ randome pve skill
5)Holy haste Description (For 1...48...60 seconds, your Healing Prayers Spells cast 50% faster. This Enchantment ends if you cast another Enchantment.)
6)Power Drain / WNWN
7)Selfless/ GoLE

Thank you for your inputs. I will try run this. Looks really good. I havent figured out how u juggle skill 1,3,4 ,5 ,7. Since Skill 5 ends if another enchantment is casted.

Now you're just being retarded. Clearly if you're going to run Holy Haste, don't overkill on the enchants. As for monking, i monked plenty until i realized it was a waste, and started blowing shit up with a scythe. You didn't even get the optionals right btw, and, i admit, this was a bar from before selfless buff.

Link6590 · Aug 09, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Stop using sarcasm over the internet. No one gets it without listening to that person directly.

And now...

Wtf are half the people smoking? UA > HB? HB > UA? Each has its pros and its con. UA allows for bar compression, allowing u an elite rebirth with 50% more heals. HB allows for a single monk to take the role of two full healers by pushing red bars, much more efficiently then UA can ever hope to with 50% faster casting and 50% more hp with out enchant upkeep.

And who ever said prots don't work, leave this monk forum and never come back. Your saying that casting prot spirit and SoA will be better then spamming patient spirit and heal party?!? Is that even a comparison??! If your whole party is taking that much dmg that warrants the use of heal party every 10 seconds, then someone needs to teach your group agro control and tanking.

And why is there so much love for divine boon? Have you tried it yet? Especially with a ZB bar? 3 pips of energy with a -1 for every spell for 50+ extra health when you should be proting against dmg in the first place? I'd say epic fail but then i'd have to kill myself.

And... There is nothing wrong with wiki builds, stop QQ about it... I'd like to hear your reason why wiki builds suck apart from "everyone else is using it! how boring/skillful of you!".

maxxfury · Aug 09, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by Link6590

And why is there so much love for divine boon? Have you tried it yet? Especially with a ZB bar? 3 pips of energy with a -1 for every spell for 50+ extra health when you should be proting against dmg in the first place? I'd say epic fail but then i'd have to kill myself.

Zb is a near 300hp heal and is basically free under selfless if under50%.

And the -1regen doesnt hurt at all with the extra cheap small prots, rof is a 100hp heal + the usual damage negation effect aswell.

personally i still enjoy AP>divine/selfless for seeds and perma aegis.

Maybe the <3 is also to do with the fact boon prot has always been THE most fun style monk bar to run

Its a nice step up to ER infoozers

There is some good stuff on Pvx, so i dont know why everyone one bitches about it.. its proven..and works......BUT i think its maybe due to people taking the builds with no idea how to use them! or WHY they work!